1 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:07,909 [Music] 2 00:00:13,830 --> 00:00:11,350 hello and welcome to episode number 49 3 00:00:15,110 --> 00:00:13,840 of the point of convergence podcast 4 00:00:18,710 --> 00:00:15,120 as always 5 00:00:21,109 --> 00:00:18,720 i am your host exo academian 6 00:00:23,109 --> 00:00:21,119 when luis elizondo made the bold and 7 00:00:25,509 --> 00:00:23,119 life-changing decision to leave his 8 00:00:27,509 --> 00:00:25,519 career within the u.s military by 9 00:00:29,910 --> 00:00:27,519 resigning from his role spearheading 10 00:00:32,549 --> 00:00:29,920 atip the advanced aerospace threat 11 00:00:34,549 --> 00:00:32,559 identification program it wasn't because 12 00:00:36,549 --> 00:00:34,559 he wanted a change in scenery or a 13 00:00:39,030 --> 00:00:36,559 change in direction 14 00:00:40,709 --> 00:00:39,040 no on the contrary he has repeatedly 15 00:00:43,030 --> 00:00:40,719 stated that the decision to leave his 16 00:00:45,430 --> 00:00:43,040 position was the hardest one he's ever 17 00:00:47,670 --> 00:00:45,440 made one that he wouldn't have made if 18 00:00:48,950 --> 00:00:47,680 he had seen any other legitimate way 19 00:00:51,510 --> 00:00:48,960 forward 20 00:00:53,430 --> 00:00:51,520 furthermore he has repeatedly asserted 21 00:00:55,189 --> 00:00:53,440 that his decision to resign was brought 22 00:00:58,950 --> 00:00:55,199 about by his desire 23 00:01:00,790 --> 00:00:58,960 first and foremost to serve his country 24 00:01:02,950 --> 00:01:00,800 in the end it became apparent to 25 00:01:04,869 --> 00:01:02,960 elizondo that the intelligence he was 26 00:01:07,429 --> 00:01:04,879 trying to deliver of his chain of 27 00:01:09,830 --> 00:01:07,439 command was being brick-walled before it 28 00:01:12,390 --> 00:01:09,840 could get to where it needed to 29 00:01:14,390 --> 00:01:12,400 in short there were people above him who 30 00:01:16,550 --> 00:01:14,400 not only had no interest in seeing the 31 00:01:18,870 --> 00:01:16,560 intelligence gathered being delivered to 32 00:01:21,830 --> 00:01:18,880 the top of the chain where it could be 33 00:01:23,350 --> 00:01:21,840 as elizondo had hoped acted upon 34 00:01:24,830 --> 00:01:23,360 but there were individuals who had 35 00:01:27,190 --> 00:01:24,840 apparently decided that the 36 00:01:29,510 --> 00:01:27,200 investigation shouldn't be happening at 37 00:01:32,789 --> 00:01:29,520 all that to investigate the matter of 38 00:01:36,149 --> 00:01:32,799 these unidentified aerial phenomena aka 39 00:01:38,550 --> 00:01:36,159 ufos was in itself a foolhardy and 40 00:01:41,510 --> 00:01:38,560 ill-advised endeavor 41 00:01:43,590 --> 00:01:41,520 of course this begs the question why 42 00:01:46,069 --> 00:01:43,600 why was there a contingent within the us 43 00:01:47,590 --> 00:01:46,079 military intelligence apparatus that not 44 00:01:50,149 --> 00:01:47,600 only wanted to halt someone like 45 00:01:52,950 --> 00:01:50,159 elizondo from delivering intel to his 46 00:01:56,230 --> 00:01:52,960 superiors but who had seemingly already 47 00:01:58,789 --> 00:01:56,240 decided that an investigation into ufos 48 00:02:01,270 --> 00:01:58,799 was not only ill-advised but more 49 00:02:03,749 --> 00:02:01,280 significantly actually a dangerous 50 00:02:05,910 --> 00:02:03,759 endeavor to even pursue 51 00:02:08,309 --> 00:02:05,920 according to elizondo this group's 52 00:02:09,350 --> 00:02:08,319 objection was based solely on religious 53 00:02:11,510 --> 00:02:09,360 grounds 54 00:02:13,830 --> 00:02:11,520 when he had been told in no uncertain 55 00:02:16,070 --> 00:02:13,840 terms that the best course of action was 56 00:02:18,309 --> 00:02:16,080 to drop the matter altogether 57 00:02:20,630 --> 00:02:18,319 elizondo wondered if perhaps that's 58 00:02:23,670 --> 00:02:20,640 because these vehicles were top secret 59 00:02:25,670 --> 00:02:23,680 next-gen us craft after all 60 00:02:28,869 --> 00:02:25,680 when he asked if this was the case he 61 00:02:30,710 --> 00:02:28,879 was told no that's not what was meant 62 00:02:33,030 --> 00:02:30,720 he was then told that if he had read his 63 00:02:34,869 --> 00:02:33,040 bible recently he would already know 64 00:02:37,190 --> 00:02:34,879 what they were 65 00:02:39,830 --> 00:02:37,200 in short these individuals within 66 00:02:43,509 --> 00:02:39,840 elizondo's chain of command believed the 67 00:02:46,390 --> 00:02:43,519 intelligence behind uaps ufos was 68 00:02:49,030 --> 00:02:46,400 actually demonic in nature and not in 69 00:02:52,150 --> 00:02:49,040 some abstract these are bad news kind of 70 00:02:54,470 --> 00:02:52,160 way no these individuals seem to believe 71 00:02:57,030 --> 00:02:54,480 that these intelligences were in fact 72 00:03:00,390 --> 00:02:57,040 the very demons they believed the bible 73 00:03:03,110 --> 00:03:00,400 laid bare as the evil minions of satan 74 00:03:05,670 --> 00:03:03,120 dark and deceptive nefarious entities 75 00:03:08,710 --> 00:03:05,680 whose only true aim was to corrupt and 76 00:03:12,390 --> 00:03:08,720 lead humanity away from a reliance on 77 00:03:14,949 --> 00:03:12,400 and relationship with the one true god 78 00:03:17,430 --> 00:03:14,959 now to be sure a predetermined position 79 00:03:19,430 --> 00:03:17,440 rooted in religious fundamentalism was 80 00:03:20,790 --> 00:03:19,440 central to this group's thinking 81 00:03:23,589 --> 00:03:20,800 had there been no christian 82 00:03:25,430 --> 00:03:23,599 fundamentalists in positions of power 83 00:03:27,670 --> 00:03:25,440 this notion likely wouldn't have gotten 84 00:03:29,910 --> 00:03:27,680 off the ground to begin with 85 00:03:31,589 --> 00:03:29,920 but as it turns out the conclusions this 86 00:03:34,390 --> 00:03:31,599 group of government and military 87 00:03:36,149 --> 00:03:34,400 insiders had come to was not solely 88 00:03:37,670 --> 00:03:36,159 based on pre-existing religious 89 00:03:39,910 --> 00:03:37,680 conviction 90 00:03:42,309 --> 00:03:39,920 rather events that had taken place 91 00:03:44,309 --> 00:03:42,319 earlier in the 20th century events such 92 00:03:47,350 --> 00:03:44,319 as those tied to the first ever modern 93 00:03:50,070 --> 00:03:47,360 sighting of ufos by kenneth arnold and 94 00:03:52,550 --> 00:03:50,080 of the purported crash of an alien craft 95 00:03:55,509 --> 00:03:52,560 along with the alleged recovery of alien 96 00:03:57,910 --> 00:03:55,519 lifeforms at roswell new mexico were 97 00:04:00,710 --> 00:03:57,920 central to this group's conclusions 98 00:04:03,429 --> 00:04:00,720 put succinctly this group who came to be 99 00:04:06,070 --> 00:04:03,439 known as the collins elite believed that 100 00:04:08,710 --> 00:04:06,080 occultic practices foolishly pursued by 101 00:04:11,429 --> 00:04:08,720 human beings in the early to mid 20th 102 00:04:13,990 --> 00:04:11,439 century had opened a kind of portal to 103 00:04:15,509 --> 00:04:14,000 an alternate dimension a netherworld 104 00:04:18,310 --> 00:04:15,519 that was home to these dark and 105 00:04:20,390 --> 00:04:18,320 deceptive intelligences and that now 106 00:04:22,790 --> 00:04:20,400 these demonic forces were laying siege 107 00:04:25,270 --> 00:04:22,800 to humanity under the ruse of a 108 00:04:28,310 --> 00:04:25,280 visitation from extraterrestrials 109 00:04:30,469 --> 00:04:28,320 piloting sophisticated spacecraft 110 00:04:32,310 --> 00:04:30,479 but what were the actual specific 111 00:04:34,390 --> 00:04:32,320 historical events that had led the 112 00:04:35,590 --> 00:04:34,400 collins elite to these rather startling 113 00:04:37,270 --> 00:04:35,600 conclusions 114 00:04:38,790 --> 00:04:37,280 and how was it that the personal 115 00:04:41,350 --> 00:04:38,800 convictions of these religious 116 00:04:44,150 --> 00:04:41,360 fundamentalists went so far as to 117 00:04:46,230 --> 00:04:44,160 influence and some might even say shape 118 00:04:49,189 --> 00:04:46,240 much of the unofficial response of the 119 00:04:51,110 --> 00:04:49,199 us government to the ufo phenomenon 120 00:04:54,710 --> 00:04:51,120 these are the very matters we'll seek to 121 00:04:58,660 --> 00:04:54,720 understand in this the 49th episode of 122 00:05:04,629 --> 00:05:02,390 [Music] 123 00:05:06,150 --> 00:05:04,639 as we begin this week's podcast i would 124 00:05:08,469 --> 00:05:06,160 just like to point out that much of 125 00:05:11,110 --> 00:05:08,479 today's material comes from nick 126 00:05:13,029 --> 00:05:11,120 redfearn's excellent book final events 127 00:05:16,230 --> 00:05:13,039 and the secret government group on 128 00:05:18,550 --> 00:05:16,240 demonic ufos and the afterlife 129 00:05:21,270 --> 00:05:18,560 this is a fascinating book covering 130 00:05:23,270 --> 00:05:21,280 remarkable details from 20th century 131 00:05:25,749 --> 00:05:23,280 history and the history of the us 132 00:05:28,310 --> 00:05:25,759 government now before we get into the 133 00:05:29,590 --> 00:05:28,320 events covered in nick redfern's book i 134 00:05:31,270 --> 00:05:29,600 would just like to remind you of 135 00:05:34,150 --> 00:05:31,280 something i've said before about 136 00:05:36,870 --> 00:05:34,160 religious fundamentalism as it pertains 137 00:05:39,029 --> 00:05:36,880 to its understanding about reality 138 00:05:41,350 --> 00:05:39,039 generally there's a kind of three-tiered 139 00:05:44,230 --> 00:05:41,360 notion to reality that you have the 140 00:05:46,230 --> 00:05:44,240 upper world heaven if you will with god 141 00:05:49,189 --> 00:05:46,240 and his angels than kind of a middle 142 00:05:51,749 --> 00:05:49,199 world with human beings and animals 143 00:05:55,670 --> 00:05:51,759 and a lower world or the demon world 144 00:05:57,670 --> 00:05:55,680 where satan and his minions exist 145 00:05:59,830 --> 00:05:57,680 now to be clear there are some who 146 00:06:02,710 --> 00:05:59,840 believe that extraterrestrials might 147 00:06:04,550 --> 00:06:02,720 also exist within that middle plane that 148 00:06:06,950 --> 00:06:04,560 would be part of that middle section of 149 00:06:09,350 --> 00:06:06,960 those three tiers but as we've discussed 150 00:06:11,830 --> 00:06:09,360 before there are many who don't see 151 00:06:13,510 --> 00:06:11,840 extraterrestrials in the picture at all 152 00:06:15,909 --> 00:06:13,520 because they don't see them mentioned in 153 00:06:18,230 --> 00:06:15,919 the bible although that itself is a 154 00:06:19,270 --> 00:06:18,240 questionable conclusion and we'll get to 155 00:06:21,189 --> 00:06:19,280 that later 156 00:06:23,189 --> 00:06:21,199 but i just want you to keep in mind this 157 00:06:25,909 --> 00:06:23,199 three-tiered notion of reality because 158 00:06:27,749 --> 00:06:25,919 it is central to some of the conclusions 159 00:06:29,590 --> 00:06:27,759 this group later drew 160 00:06:31,749 --> 00:06:29,600 the next thing i'd like to point out is 161 00:06:34,550 --> 00:06:31,759 that the us government is a complex 162 00:06:37,350 --> 00:06:34,560 assortment of organizations and people 163 00:06:39,110 --> 00:06:37,360 it is not a single homogeneous unit even 164 00:06:40,070 --> 00:06:39,120 though many people talk about it that 165 00:06:42,150 --> 00:06:40,080 way 166 00:06:44,790 --> 00:06:42,160 and from a developmental level slash 167 00:06:46,710 --> 00:06:44,800 worldview perspective the us government 168 00:06:49,029 --> 00:06:46,720 represents a cross-section of the 169 00:06:52,390 --> 00:06:49,039 american public meaning you have 170 00:06:55,909 --> 00:06:52,400 christians muslims buddhists atheists 171 00:06:58,469 --> 00:06:55,919 agnostics and everything in between 172 00:07:00,950 --> 00:06:58,479 that said christianity has certainly 173 00:07:03,830 --> 00:07:00,960 enjoyed a bit of a charmed life within 174 00:07:05,670 --> 00:07:03,840 the u.s government and u.s society since 175 00:07:07,830 --> 00:07:05,680 the nation's inception 176 00:07:09,990 --> 00:07:07,840 even though the founding fathers clearly 177 00:07:12,790 --> 00:07:10,000 saw the need to keep a clear separation 178 00:07:14,710 --> 00:07:12,800 between church and state 179 00:07:17,670 --> 00:07:14,720 now as i mentioned in the introduction 180 00:07:19,749 --> 00:07:17,680 luis elizondo clearly ran into examples 181 00:07:22,390 --> 00:07:19,759 of this charmed existence that 182 00:07:25,189 --> 00:07:22,400 specifically fundamentalist evangelical 183 00:07:27,510 --> 00:07:25,199 christians enjoy within government 184 00:07:30,309 --> 00:07:27,520 he had his very attempts to investigate 185 00:07:33,589 --> 00:07:30,319 this phenomenon brickwalled by these 186 00:07:35,670 --> 00:07:33,599 people because they believed a priori 187 00:07:38,230 --> 00:07:35,680 that these intelligences represented 188 00:07:41,830 --> 00:07:38,240 demonic forces as depicted in their 189 00:07:43,510 --> 00:07:41,840 particular version of christianity 190 00:07:44,469 --> 00:07:43,520 but as i also pointed out in the 191 00:07:46,710 --> 00:07:44,479 introduction 192 00:07:49,430 --> 00:07:46,720 it was not simply their deeply held 193 00:07:51,830 --> 00:07:49,440 pre-existing religious beliefs that led 194 00:07:56,309 --> 00:07:51,840 these individuals to try to halt any 195 00:07:58,550 --> 00:07:56,319 investigation into ufos slash uaps 196 00:08:00,790 --> 00:07:58,560 rather their actions were related to the 197 00:08:03,510 --> 00:08:00,800 investigations and findings of an 198 00:08:06,150 --> 00:08:03,520 historic group composed of military and 199 00:08:08,869 --> 00:08:06,160 political insiders who came to be known 200 00:08:11,510 --> 00:08:08,879 as the collins elite 201 00:08:14,150 --> 00:08:11,520 the cullens elite as it turns out didn't 202 00:08:16,710 --> 00:08:14,160 begin as a group solely convinced that 203 00:08:18,150 --> 00:08:16,720 all aliens are actually demons 204 00:08:19,990 --> 00:08:18,160 because their interpretation of the 205 00:08:22,469 --> 00:08:20,000 bible told them so 206 00:08:24,469 --> 00:08:22,479 that was a big part of it to be sure 207 00:08:26,309 --> 00:08:24,479 but they also came to this conclusion 208 00:08:28,790 --> 00:08:26,319 because of overlapping events that 209 00:08:31,270 --> 00:08:28,800 happened earlier in the 20th century 210 00:08:34,709 --> 00:08:31,280 suggesting that the occultic rituals and 211 00:08:37,750 --> 00:08:34,719 practices engaged in by certain key 212 00:08:40,550 --> 00:08:37,760 influential individuals served as the 213 00:08:43,430 --> 00:08:40,560 catalytic action that gave birth to the 214 00:08:44,949 --> 00:08:43,440 events and activities we've collectively 215 00:08:47,750 --> 00:08:44,959 come to refer to 216 00:08:49,750 --> 00:08:47,760 as the ufo phenomenon 217 00:08:51,509 --> 00:08:49,760 now speaking of that if there's one 218 00:08:54,389 --> 00:08:51,519 individual you can point to that the 219 00:08:56,630 --> 00:08:54,399 collins elite believed was the seed for 220 00:08:59,269 --> 00:08:56,640 this entire series of events 221 00:09:00,790 --> 00:08:59,279 you can look to aleister crowley 222 00:09:03,350 --> 00:09:00,800 now who was he 223 00:09:06,389 --> 00:09:03,360 according to wikipedia crowley was an 224 00:09:10,230 --> 00:09:06,399 english occultist ceremonial magician 225 00:09:12,470 --> 00:09:10,240 poet painter novelist and mountaineer 226 00:09:14,470 --> 00:09:12,480 he founded the religion of thalema 227 00:09:16,949 --> 00:09:14,480 identifying himself as the prophet 228 00:09:20,710 --> 00:09:16,959 entrusted with guiding humanity into the 229 00:09:23,269 --> 00:09:20,720 eon of oris in the early 20th century 230 00:09:25,350 --> 00:09:23,279 a prolific writer he published widely 231 00:09:27,670 --> 00:09:25,360 over the course of his life 232 00:09:30,790 --> 00:09:27,680 eventually crowley married rose edith 233 00:09:33,269 --> 00:09:30,800 kelly and in 1904 they honeymooned in 234 00:09:35,670 --> 00:09:33,279 cairo egypt where crowley claimed to 235 00:09:39,110 --> 00:09:35,680 have been contacted by a supernatural 236 00:09:41,829 --> 00:09:39,120 entity named aiwas who provided him with 237 00:09:44,870 --> 00:09:41,839 the book of the law a sacred text that 238 00:09:47,829 --> 00:09:44,880 served as the basis for thalema 239 00:09:49,590 --> 00:09:47,839 announcing the start of the eon of aorus 240 00:09:52,389 --> 00:09:49,600 the book declared that its followers 241 00:09:54,949 --> 00:09:52,399 should do what thou wilt and seek to 242 00:10:00,710 --> 00:09:54,959 align themselves with their true will 243 00:10:05,670 --> 00:10:02,829 now in that description i just read from 244 00:10:08,630 --> 00:10:05,680 wikipedia you can see that crowley was 245 00:10:11,190 --> 00:10:08,640 interested in and actually endeavored to 246 00:10:13,670 --> 00:10:11,200 connect to make contact with 247 00:10:15,430 --> 00:10:13,680 entities outside of the normal realm of 248 00:10:17,590 --> 00:10:15,440 human existence 249 00:10:20,470 --> 00:10:17,600 now that becomes key to what later 250 00:10:22,870 --> 00:10:20,480 happens that the collins elite conclude 251 00:10:25,350 --> 00:10:22,880 kicked off this entire series of events 252 00:10:27,430 --> 00:10:25,360 that opened the door to these demonic 253 00:10:29,269 --> 00:10:27,440 entities that are parading as 254 00:10:30,790 --> 00:10:29,279 extraterrestrials according to their 255 00:10:32,710 --> 00:10:30,800 point of view 256 00:10:35,110 --> 00:10:32,720 this is how the story goes 257 00:10:37,430 --> 00:10:35,120 in an altered state under the influence 258 00:10:39,509 --> 00:10:37,440 of mescaline and hashish 259 00:10:42,790 --> 00:10:39,519 crowley apparently attempted to and 260 00:10:45,509 --> 00:10:42,800 successfully opened a doorway or portal 261 00:10:47,990 --> 00:10:45,519 to another realm slash dimension 262 00:10:49,910 --> 00:10:48,000 and came into contact with an entity 263 00:10:51,829 --> 00:10:49,920 named lamb 264 00:10:54,230 --> 00:10:51,839 which many have pointed out since then 265 00:10:57,190 --> 00:10:54,240 bears a striking resemblance to a gray 266 00:10:58,949 --> 00:10:57,200 alien because of its bald oversized 267 00:11:01,990 --> 00:10:58,959 bulbous cranium 268 00:11:03,430 --> 00:11:02,000 small nose and mouth small body and 269 00:11:05,509 --> 00:11:03,440 pointed chin 270 00:11:07,509 --> 00:11:05,519 and just to remind you this happened 271 00:11:10,230 --> 00:11:07,519 well before any grey aliens had been 272 00:11:12,470 --> 00:11:10,240 identified or described by anyone this 273 00:11:15,269 --> 00:11:12,480 is far before for instance whitley 274 00:11:17,350 --> 00:11:15,279 strieber's famous cover of communion so 275 00:11:19,990 --> 00:11:17,360 many found it very interesting that this 276 00:11:22,550 --> 00:11:20,000 figure lamb this entity that crowley 277 00:11:26,470 --> 00:11:22,560 contacted looks so much like what we 278 00:11:29,190 --> 00:11:26,480 later came to refer to as grey aliens 279 00:11:32,550 --> 00:11:29,200 now according to some lam is actually an 280 00:11:34,790 --> 00:11:32,560 alien entity similar to a grey alien who 281 00:11:37,110 --> 00:11:34,800 dwelt on the dark side of the planet 282 00:11:40,069 --> 00:11:37,120 mars now supposedly this 283 00:11:44,790 --> 00:11:40,079 extraterrestrial intelligence named lamb 284 00:11:46,710 --> 00:11:44,800 was contacted by crowley in 1919. 285 00:11:48,470 --> 00:11:46,720 that's how some look at the history but 286 00:11:50,629 --> 00:11:48,480 again i want to remind you that to the 287 00:11:53,430 --> 00:11:50,639 collins elite this was not an 288 00:11:55,750 --> 00:11:53,440 extraterrestrial biological being but 289 00:11:57,990 --> 00:11:55,760 actually a demon disguised as an 290 00:12:00,550 --> 00:11:58,000 extraterrestrial and this was the first 291 00:12:02,870 --> 00:12:00,560 event of several that led to the door 292 00:12:05,910 --> 00:12:02,880 opening for many of these entities to 293 00:12:09,030 --> 00:12:05,920 pour into our plane of existence 294 00:12:11,910 --> 00:12:09,040 ushering in the so-called modern ufo and 295 00:12:13,990 --> 00:12:11,920 abduction phenomenon 296 00:12:16,310 --> 00:12:14,000 now let's jump forward to the next key 297 00:12:17,910 --> 00:12:16,320 piece of this puzzle according to the 298 00:12:20,310 --> 00:12:17,920 collins elite 299 00:12:24,069 --> 00:12:20,320 we now want to speak of a man named jack 300 00:12:26,790 --> 00:12:24,079 parsons from california he was a devotee 301 00:12:29,670 --> 00:12:26,800 of crowleys and he founded the aerojet 302 00:12:32,069 --> 00:12:29,680 company that made for instance solid 303 00:12:34,150 --> 00:12:32,079 rocket boosters for nasa 304 00:12:37,509 --> 00:12:34,160 parsons was not only a brilliant rocket 305 00:12:39,670 --> 00:12:37,519 scientist but also a major occultist 306 00:12:41,829 --> 00:12:39,680 jack parsons was at first seen as a 307 00:12:43,190 --> 00:12:41,839 brilliant rocket scientist who was just 308 00:12:44,949 --> 00:12:43,200 a bit eccentric 309 00:12:47,670 --> 00:12:44,959 he would invoke for instance the greek 310 00:12:49,190 --> 00:12:47,680 god pan to ensure successful rocket 311 00:12:51,509 --> 00:12:49,200 launches 312 00:12:52,389 --> 00:12:51,519 his brilliance made his eccentricity 313 00:12:55,110 --> 00:12:52,399 bearable 314 00:12:56,870 --> 00:12:55,120 to his scientific colleagues even if his 315 00:12:58,389 --> 00:12:56,880 actions were somewhat annoying and 316 00:13:00,629 --> 00:12:58,399 embarrassing 317 00:13:03,829 --> 00:13:00,639 and to be clear parsons worked alongside 318 00:13:05,990 --> 00:13:03,839 the u.s air force navy and army and 319 00:13:08,230 --> 00:13:06,000 parsons had a top secret clearance in 320 00:13:10,550 --> 00:13:08,240 all three agencies 321 00:13:13,110 --> 00:13:10,560 eventually parsons got himself into hot 322 00:13:15,030 --> 00:13:13,120 water with the us military because he 323 00:13:17,110 --> 00:13:15,040 took some documents to show to the 324 00:13:19,590 --> 00:13:17,120 israeli government in hopes that they 325 00:13:21,590 --> 00:13:19,600 would fund his company to build rockets 326 00:13:23,670 --> 00:13:21,600 for the new nation of israel 327 00:13:25,829 --> 00:13:23,680 now when this was first discovered it 328 00:13:27,670 --> 00:13:25,839 was assumed that perhaps parsons was a 329 00:13:29,030 --> 00:13:27,680 spy and that this was an act of 330 00:13:31,269 --> 00:13:29,040 espionage 331 00:13:33,750 --> 00:13:31,279 as it turns out that wasn't the case he 332 00:13:35,670 --> 00:13:33,760 just full-heartedly took these documents 333 00:13:37,670 --> 00:13:35,680 because he didn't really have a resume 334 00:13:39,030 --> 00:13:37,680 but he wanted to impress the israelis 335 00:13:41,829 --> 00:13:39,040 again with the hopes that they would 336 00:13:43,910 --> 00:13:41,839 fund him building rockets by way of his 337 00:13:46,150 --> 00:13:43,920 company for that nation 338 00:13:48,790 --> 00:13:46,160 now as a result of this foolish action 339 00:13:50,870 --> 00:13:48,800 by parsons he lost his top secret 340 00:13:53,509 --> 00:13:50,880 clearance and was left to then run his 341 00:13:56,150 --> 00:13:53,519 own rocket company and as i mentioned he 342 00:13:58,150 --> 00:13:56,160 was investigated for espionage and it 343 00:14:00,790 --> 00:13:58,160 was during that investigation that the 344 00:14:03,430 --> 00:14:00,800 extent of parsons exploration of the 345 00:14:05,350 --> 00:14:03,440 occult became fully known 346 00:14:08,389 --> 00:14:05,360 and it was found out that parsons had 347 00:14:10,629 --> 00:14:08,399 met none other than kenneth arnold the 348 00:14:13,189 --> 00:14:10,639 man who ushered in the modern day flying 349 00:14:16,069 --> 00:14:13,199 saucer era with his sightings near mount 350 00:14:18,150 --> 00:14:16,079 rainier in 1947. 351 00:14:20,389 --> 00:14:18,160 another key piece in the puzzle 352 00:14:22,069 --> 00:14:20,399 according to the collins elite during 353 00:14:24,230 --> 00:14:22,079 this investigation it was also 354 00:14:25,670 --> 00:14:24,240 discovered that parsons had a colleague 355 00:14:27,670 --> 00:14:25,680 at roswell 356 00:14:30,069 --> 00:14:27,680 and this was also seen as a connection 357 00:14:32,310 --> 00:14:30,079 between the occult and the roswell 358 00:14:34,629 --> 00:14:32,320 quote-unquote crash that the collins 359 00:14:37,350 --> 00:14:34,639 elite didn't believe was a crash at all 360 00:14:38,710 --> 00:14:37,360 but again another ruse by this demonic 361 00:14:41,350 --> 00:14:38,720 intelligence 362 00:14:43,189 --> 00:14:41,360 but as you see this led to a cascade of 363 00:14:45,910 --> 00:14:43,199 loose correlations that were taken as 364 00:14:48,389 --> 00:14:45,920 sure signs of something complex and 365 00:14:51,430 --> 00:14:48,399 nefarious taking place that connected 366 00:14:54,069 --> 00:14:51,440 occult practices with the ushering in of 367 00:14:55,430 --> 00:14:54,079 the modern day ufo and abduction 368 00:14:58,230 --> 00:14:55,440 phenomenon 369 00:15:00,389 --> 00:14:58,240 now as it turns out jack parsons died a 370 00:15:03,350 --> 00:15:00,399 rather infamous death 371 00:15:06,470 --> 00:15:03,360 it was in june 1952 when he was engaging 372 00:15:08,790 --> 00:15:06,480 in an experiment in pasadena california 373 00:15:10,470 --> 00:15:08,800 now some say it was a rocket experiment 374 00:15:13,350 --> 00:15:10,480 while others say he was trying to 375 00:15:15,910 --> 00:15:13,360 conjure up a homunculus an animated life 376 00:15:19,030 --> 00:15:15,920 form in the form of a little man again 377 00:15:20,710 --> 00:15:19,040 we think of lamb or a gray alien 378 00:15:22,949 --> 00:15:20,720 apparently there was a huge explosion 379 00:15:25,110 --> 00:15:22,959 when the experiment went wrong 380 00:15:26,710 --> 00:15:25,120 parsons made it as far as the hospital 381 00:15:28,710 --> 00:15:26,720 but he died there 382 00:15:31,030 --> 00:15:28,720 the collins elite took this as another 383 00:15:33,829 --> 00:15:31,040 sign that if you mess with the occult it 384 00:15:35,509 --> 00:15:33,839 will end badly for you it certainly did 385 00:15:37,030 --> 00:15:35,519 for parsons 386 00:15:38,710 --> 00:15:37,040 now in terms of the historical 387 00:15:43,910 --> 00:15:38,720 connections that the cullens elite 388 00:15:46,710 --> 00:15:43,920 noticed just as rituals in 1946 and 47 389 00:15:49,749 --> 00:15:46,720 were soon followed by arnold who had met 390 00:15:51,670 --> 00:15:49,759 parsons seeing ufos that launched the 391 00:15:53,829 --> 00:15:51,680 modern ufo movement 392 00:15:56,389 --> 00:15:53,839 there was also a huge wave of ufo 393 00:15:58,790 --> 00:15:56,399 sightings over washington dc 394 00:16:00,949 --> 00:15:58,800 not long after parsons death leading the 395 00:16:03,189 --> 00:16:00,959 collins elite to conclude that he was 396 00:16:07,110 --> 00:16:03,199 somehow either successful in opening a 397 00:16:09,430 --> 00:16:07,120 portal further or establishing a new one 398 00:16:11,670 --> 00:16:09,440 and just to be abundantly clear we're 399 00:16:14,230 --> 00:16:11,680 talking about establishing a portal 400 00:16:16,069 --> 00:16:14,240 through which these demonic entities 401 00:16:19,430 --> 00:16:16,079 could come through and interfere with 402 00:16:22,069 --> 00:16:19,440 the lives of humans under the ruse of an 403 00:16:23,990 --> 00:16:22,079 extraterrestrial visitation 404 00:16:26,470 --> 00:16:24,000 so perhaps you're wondering how this 405 00:16:28,069 --> 00:16:26,480 collins elite was formed 406 00:16:30,949 --> 00:16:28,079 well at first the group gathered 407 00:16:33,110 --> 00:16:30,959 informally over drinks in after work 408 00:16:35,749 --> 00:16:33,120 hours to discuss what intelligence 409 00:16:38,710 --> 00:16:35,759 sources had learned about parsons as 410 00:16:41,430 --> 00:16:38,720 part of his espionage investigation 411 00:16:43,430 --> 00:16:41,440 and as this picture began to emerge it 412 00:16:45,749 --> 00:16:43,440 was thought that perhaps this was best 413 00:16:48,310 --> 00:16:45,759 investigated as a kind of under the 414 00:16:51,430 --> 00:16:48,320 table semi-official and eventually 415 00:16:53,350 --> 00:16:51,440 official think tank that became the 416 00:16:55,509 --> 00:16:53,360 collins elite 417 00:16:57,749 --> 00:16:55,519 from their perspective all of the people 418 00:17:00,470 --> 00:16:57,759 they were looking into seem to have 419 00:17:03,350 --> 00:17:00,480 connections to crowley parsons and the 420 00:17:05,829 --> 00:17:03,360 occult one way or another 421 00:17:08,870 --> 00:17:05,839 now to be clear many of these members of 422 00:17:11,429 --> 00:17:08,880 the so-called collins elite already held 423 00:17:13,750 --> 00:17:11,439 a fundamentalist worldview or they were 424 00:17:16,789 --> 00:17:13,760 talked into adopting this worldview 425 00:17:18,870 --> 00:17:16,799 after the result of these investigations 426 00:17:21,110 --> 00:17:18,880 now when we think of the various events 427 00:17:23,350 --> 00:17:21,120 that were timed in very close proximity 428 00:17:25,270 --> 00:17:23,360 to each other we seem to have a clear 429 00:17:28,069 --> 00:17:25,280 case of correlation 430 00:17:29,990 --> 00:17:28,079 that can be supported by the evidence 431 00:17:31,830 --> 00:17:30,000 where the members of the collins elite 432 00:17:34,390 --> 00:17:31,840 seem to venture into unsupported 433 00:17:37,510 --> 00:17:34,400 territory is when they seemingly assume 434 00:17:39,750 --> 00:17:37,520 that correlation implies causation 435 00:17:41,590 --> 00:17:39,760 the thing is it doesn't that key 436 00:17:45,590 --> 00:17:41,600 distinction has been demonstrated in 437 00:17:47,669 --> 00:17:45,600 scientific circles time and time again 438 00:17:48,950 --> 00:17:47,679 now could these various phenomena be 439 00:17:51,350 --> 00:17:48,960 related 440 00:17:53,430 --> 00:17:51,360 certainly it may very well be the case 441 00:17:56,310 --> 00:17:53,440 that when an interdimensional portal of 442 00:17:59,350 --> 00:17:56,320 sorts has been established that various 443 00:18:01,750 --> 00:17:59,360 entities can then pass in and out of our 444 00:18:04,710 --> 00:18:01,760 world we've talked about skinwalker 445 00:18:06,630 --> 00:18:04,720 ranch and places like that many times 446 00:18:08,870 --> 00:18:06,640 there may indeed be a kind of portal 447 00:18:10,549 --> 00:18:08,880 there or a wormhole depending on your 448 00:18:12,870 --> 00:18:10,559 perspective 449 00:18:15,590 --> 00:18:12,880 the problem here beyond assuming 450 00:18:17,669 --> 00:18:15,600 correlation implies causation is that 451 00:18:20,870 --> 00:18:17,679 these members of the collins elite 452 00:18:23,110 --> 00:18:20,880 seemed intent on seeing all phenomena as 453 00:18:24,870 --> 00:18:23,120 underlyingly the machinations of a 454 00:18:28,549 --> 00:18:24,880 single intelligence 455 00:18:30,789 --> 00:18:28,559 i.e satan and his demon servants again 456 00:18:33,350 --> 00:18:30,799 this leap in logic is largely connected 457 00:18:36,390 --> 00:18:33,360 to these individuals truncated 458 00:18:39,510 --> 00:18:36,400 three-tiered picture of reality 459 00:18:41,830 --> 00:18:39,520 that said it's not quite that simple 460 00:18:44,630 --> 00:18:41,840 there was evidence they uncovered that 461 00:18:46,630 --> 00:18:44,640 seem to point to something nefarious and 462 00:18:49,029 --> 00:18:46,640 disturbing for instance within the 463 00:18:51,830 --> 00:18:49,039 so-called abduction phenomenon which 464 00:18:53,909 --> 00:18:51,840 they also investigated 465 00:18:56,150 --> 00:18:53,919 now interestingly partly because of 466 00:18:58,070 --> 00:18:56,160 their predetermined position and their 467 00:18:59,990 --> 00:18:58,080 position they came to as a result of 468 00:19:02,549 --> 00:19:00,000 their investigations 469 00:19:05,190 --> 00:19:02,559 the collins elite believed that no one 470 00:19:07,669 --> 00:19:05,200 was actually being physically abducted 471 00:19:10,470 --> 00:19:07,679 into a ufo in other words they were not 472 00:19:11,750 --> 00:19:10,480 being taken into a craft up in the sky 473 00:19:13,830 --> 00:19:11,760 somewhere 474 00:19:15,990 --> 00:19:13,840 they believed rather that a hologram was 475 00:19:18,230 --> 00:19:16,000 being used and that this hologram was 476 00:19:21,110 --> 00:19:18,240 extremely sophisticated to the point 477 00:19:23,510 --> 00:19:21,120 where it actually had physical traits 478 00:19:26,470 --> 00:19:23,520 furthermore they believed the key 479 00:19:29,590 --> 00:19:26,480 intention of this group of demons that 480 00:19:31,990 --> 00:19:29,600 were parading as ets was to separate the 481 00:19:33,750 --> 00:19:32,000 human soul from the body 482 00:19:36,310 --> 00:19:33,760 from their point of view they believed 483 00:19:37,510 --> 00:19:36,320 these demons were voracious for our 484 00:19:39,990 --> 00:19:37,520 souls 485 00:19:42,230 --> 00:19:40,000 now interestingly this perspective that 486 00:19:43,510 --> 00:19:42,240 a hologram was used that had physical 487 00:19:45,590 --> 00:19:43,520 traits to it 488 00:19:48,549 --> 00:19:45,600 is quite similar to joseph burke's 489 00:19:51,110 --> 00:19:48,559 virtual reality model that model also 490 00:19:53,029 --> 00:19:51,120 describes a similar notion that these 491 00:19:56,390 --> 00:19:53,039 beings are so sophisticated that they 492 00:19:58,470 --> 00:19:56,400 can project a reality into our minds and 493 00:20:00,150 --> 00:19:58,480 we can't tell the difference 494 00:20:01,990 --> 00:20:00,160 now beyond the fact that they didn't 495 00:20:04,310 --> 00:20:02,000 believe these abductions were actually 496 00:20:05,750 --> 00:20:04,320 physical events in other words people 497 00:20:07,990 --> 00:20:05,760 were never actually leaving their 498 00:20:09,430 --> 00:20:08,000 bedrooms or their cars according to the 499 00:20:12,149 --> 00:20:09,440 collins elite 500 00:20:14,549 --> 00:20:12,159 they also believed that these demons 501 00:20:16,950 --> 00:20:14,559 parading as extraterrestrials were 502 00:20:20,230 --> 00:20:16,960 trying to get people to move away from 503 00:20:22,149 --> 00:20:20,240 christianity christianity specifically 504 00:20:24,470 --> 00:20:22,159 now what's strange about this conclusion 505 00:20:26,630 --> 00:20:24,480 is that while there may be some reports 506 00:20:28,310 --> 00:20:26,640 that do fit this description 507 00:20:29,510 --> 00:20:28,320 there are plenty of reports to the 508 00:20:31,669 --> 00:20:29,520 contrary 509 00:20:34,390 --> 00:20:31,679 in fact many reports according to for 510 00:20:36,390 --> 00:20:34,400 instance the data uncovered in the dr 511 00:20:38,789 --> 00:20:36,400 edgar mitchell free foundation's 512 00:20:41,270 --> 00:20:38,799 experiencer research study suggests that 513 00:20:44,390 --> 00:20:41,280 many of these encounters feature a very 514 00:20:46,070 --> 00:20:44,400 overarchingly spiritual element 515 00:20:48,630 --> 00:20:46,080 and here we're talking about a very 516 00:20:52,070 --> 00:20:48,640 positive spiritual element discussing 517 00:20:53,830 --> 00:20:52,080 the connectivity of all living beings 518 00:20:56,310 --> 00:20:53,840 so why would the collins elite not be 519 00:20:59,029 --> 00:20:56,320 aware of these specific cases 520 00:21:01,430 --> 00:20:59,039 well sometimes religious adherents can 521 00:21:04,549 --> 00:21:01,440 tend to hear any philosophy or 522 00:21:07,029 --> 00:21:04,559 perspective that transcends their own as 523 00:21:09,430 --> 00:21:07,039 simply refuting their own but these are 524 00:21:11,510 --> 00:21:09,440 not the same thing in other words these 525 00:21:14,549 --> 00:21:11,520 entities may have been trying to get 526 00:21:17,270 --> 00:21:14,559 people to see beyond the division and 527 00:21:18,470 --> 00:21:17,280 the small-mindedness of traditional 528 00:21:19,909 --> 00:21:18,480 religion 529 00:21:22,149 --> 00:21:19,919 that doesn't mean they were trying to 530 00:21:23,750 --> 00:21:22,159 alienate them from spirituality but 531 00:21:26,390 --> 00:21:23,760 rather that they were trying to mature 532 00:21:28,310 --> 00:21:26,400 their spirituality but again to someone 533 00:21:30,230 --> 00:21:28,320 within a christian fundamentalist 534 00:21:32,230 --> 00:21:30,240 worldview they're not going to see it 535 00:21:34,070 --> 00:21:32,240 that way because they can't see beyond 536 00:21:35,830 --> 00:21:34,080 the ceiling of their own particular 537 00:21:38,390 --> 00:21:35,840 world view as we've discussed on 538 00:21:40,950 --> 00:21:38,400 previous podcasts so rather than seeing 539 00:21:43,750 --> 00:21:40,960 that this teaching by these others was 540 00:21:46,390 --> 00:21:43,760 meant to transcend the current view the 541 00:21:48,710 --> 00:21:46,400 cullen's elite simply assumed it was an 542 00:21:51,110 --> 00:21:48,720 attempt to lead people astray from the 543 00:21:53,270 --> 00:21:51,120 teachings of and relationship with the 544 00:21:55,430 --> 00:21:53,280 one true god 545 00:21:58,310 --> 00:21:55,440 now at this point i want to make one 546 00:22:01,430 --> 00:21:58,320 thing clear i'm not trying to whitewash 547 00:22:03,510 --> 00:22:01,440 from the record all negative experiences 548 00:22:05,590 --> 00:22:03,520 people clearly do have 549 00:22:07,510 --> 00:22:05,600 interdimensional experiences that are 550 00:22:11,270 --> 00:22:07,520 negative whether they perceive these 551 00:22:13,510 --> 00:22:11,280 entities as ets or interdimensionals or 552 00:22:15,350 --> 00:22:13,520 demons or what have you 553 00:22:17,430 --> 00:22:15,360 that's somewhat irrelevant 554 00:22:18,630 --> 00:22:17,440 and by that i mean the label is 555 00:22:20,549 --> 00:22:18,640 irrelevant 556 00:22:23,830 --> 00:22:20,559 the bottom line is people do have 557 00:22:25,909 --> 00:22:23,840 experiences they see as negative all i'm 558 00:22:28,789 --> 00:22:25,919 suggesting is that the collins elite 559 00:22:31,430 --> 00:22:28,799 seemed to be only aware of those kinds 560 00:22:33,750 --> 00:22:31,440 of experiences and either didn't take 561 00:22:34,950 --> 00:22:33,760 into account or somehow weren't made 562 00:22:37,590 --> 00:22:34,960 aware of 563 00:22:39,350 --> 00:22:37,600 the rest of the body of data suggesting 564 00:22:40,630 --> 00:22:39,360 many of these encounters are actually 565 00:22:42,470 --> 00:22:40,640 positive 566 00:22:44,950 --> 00:22:42,480 again according to the free foundation 567 00:22:48,470 --> 00:22:44,960 data many of the experiences perhaps 568 00:22:52,149 --> 00:22:48,480 even the majority are largely positive 569 00:22:54,070 --> 00:22:52,159 and if not positive than neutral 570 00:22:56,630 --> 00:22:54,080 now of course some of that data has come 571 00:22:58,630 --> 00:22:56,640 to light after the collins elite was 572 00:23:01,110 --> 00:22:58,640 active and we'll get to their current 573 00:23:02,630 --> 00:23:01,120 state of activity in a moment but i just 574 00:23:05,669 --> 00:23:02,640 want to make it clear that there seems 575 00:23:08,789 --> 00:23:05,679 to be a truncating of the data or of the 576 00:23:12,390 --> 00:23:08,799 awareness of the data one or the other 577 00:23:15,270 --> 00:23:12,400 now interestingly in 1998 the collins 578 00:23:17,510 --> 00:23:15,280 elite released a two-volume document 579 00:23:19,830 --> 00:23:17,520 known as the collins report that was 580 00:23:22,390 --> 00:23:19,840 printed and made available to members of 581 00:23:25,270 --> 00:23:22,400 the collins elite now nick redfern was 582 00:23:27,669 --> 00:23:25,280 actually given parts of this document by 583 00:23:30,310 --> 00:23:27,679 a supposed former member of the collins 584 00:23:32,390 --> 00:23:30,320 elite now if you're wondering why they 585 00:23:34,870 --> 00:23:32,400 would give this document to redfern we 586 00:23:36,549 --> 00:23:34,880 will get to that reason shortly 587 00:23:38,630 --> 00:23:36,559 now earlier i mentioned that the collins 588 00:23:41,990 --> 00:23:38,640 elite didn't really believe that the 589 00:23:43,909 --> 00:23:42,000 roswell crash was actually a crash but 590 00:23:44,870 --> 00:23:43,919 they did believe it was an anomalous 591 00:23:47,510 --> 00:23:44,880 event 592 00:23:49,590 --> 00:23:47,520 in the end this is what they concluded 593 00:23:52,149 --> 00:23:49,600 they believed that the so-called memory 594 00:23:54,230 --> 00:23:52,159 metal that was found at the so-called 595 00:23:57,909 --> 00:23:54,240 crash site was actually a kind of 596 00:24:00,310 --> 00:23:57,919 technology produced by demonic alchemy 597 00:24:02,710 --> 00:24:00,320 and deposited on the desert floor to 598 00:24:04,950 --> 00:24:02,720 simulate crash material 599 00:24:07,590 --> 00:24:04,960 they also concluded that the biological 600 00:24:10,549 --> 00:24:07,600 materials slash bodies found at the 601 00:24:13,830 --> 00:24:10,559 crash site were actually also created by 602 00:24:15,990 --> 00:24:13,840 demons at a genetic molecular level in 603 00:24:18,470 --> 00:24:16,000 other words still a ruse these were not 604 00:24:20,630 --> 00:24:18,480 actual living beings they never were 605 00:24:23,029 --> 00:24:20,640 these pieces of entities were placed in 606 00:24:25,669 --> 00:24:23,039 the desert to make them look like pilots 607 00:24:26,630 --> 00:24:25,679 of craft arriving from some distant star 608 00:24:28,710 --> 00:24:26,640 system 609 00:24:32,390 --> 00:24:28,720 but again of course this was all the 610 00:24:33,909 --> 00:24:32,400 ruse according to the cullens elite 611 00:24:35,830 --> 00:24:33,919 and if you're wondering how they would 612 00:24:37,590 --> 00:24:35,840 have concluded such a thing much of it 613 00:24:38,789 --> 00:24:37,600 comes down again to their reading of 614 00:24:42,149 --> 00:24:38,799 scripture 615 00:24:44,390 --> 00:24:42,159 they saw lucifer satan as the prince and 616 00:24:48,070 --> 00:24:44,400 principality over the air 617 00:24:50,390 --> 00:24:48,080 in other words they saw lucifer satan as 618 00:24:54,470 --> 00:24:50,400 a being that could manifest physical 619 00:24:56,149 --> 00:24:54,480 objects in our 3d consensus reality and 620 00:24:58,710 --> 00:24:56,159 much of this belief was rooted in a 621 00:25:00,789 --> 00:24:58,720 passage of scripture which states quote 622 00:25:03,029 --> 00:25:00,799 in which you previously walked according 623 00:25:05,909 --> 00:25:03,039 to the course of this world according to 624 00:25:07,909 --> 00:25:05,919 the prince of the power of the heir of 625 00:25:09,830 --> 00:25:07,919 the spirit that is now working and the 626 00:25:11,909 --> 00:25:09,840 sons of disobedience that's from 627 00:25:13,750 --> 00:25:11,919 ephesians 2 2. 628 00:25:15,669 --> 00:25:13,760 and to be clear in that scripture 629 00:25:19,350 --> 00:25:15,679 reference the prince of the power of the 630 00:25:21,430 --> 00:25:19,360 air is believed to be satan lucifer i.e 631 00:25:24,230 --> 00:25:21,440 the being that is at the root of this 632 00:25:27,190 --> 00:25:24,240 demonic deception according at least to 633 00:25:29,110 --> 00:25:27,200 the perspective of the collins elite now 634 00:25:31,269 --> 00:25:29,120 speaking of the collins elite and how 635 00:25:33,510 --> 00:25:31,279 their particular reading of scripture 636 00:25:35,909 --> 00:25:33,520 informed their perspectives one of the 637 00:25:37,190 --> 00:25:35,919 people that nick redfern talked to said 638 00:25:38,149 --> 00:25:37,200 the following 639 00:25:39,990 --> 00:25:38,159 quote 640 00:25:41,669 --> 00:25:40,000 one of the things that made me believe 641 00:25:43,590 --> 00:25:41,679 there could be some sort of physical 642 00:25:46,789 --> 00:25:43,600 interaction is the mention of the 643 00:25:49,190 --> 00:25:46,799 nephilim in genesis in the bible 644 00:25:51,909 --> 00:25:49,200 whatever these otherworldly beings were 645 00:25:53,990 --> 00:25:51,919 angels fallen angels they were able to 646 00:25:56,549 --> 00:25:54,000 interact physically and create some sort 647 00:25:58,710 --> 00:25:56,559 of progeny here on earth 648 00:26:01,029 --> 00:25:58,720 more prosaic interpretations of the 649 00:26:03,830 --> 00:26:01,039 passages regarding the nephilim that 650 00:26:06,390 --> 00:26:03,840 they were simply mighty men for instance 651 00:26:08,070 --> 00:26:06,400 are accepted by most scholars but i 652 00:26:10,149 --> 00:26:08,080 don't see overwhelming evidence to 653 00:26:11,909 --> 00:26:10,159 completely eliminate the possibility 654 00:26:15,990 --> 00:26:11,919 that they were of a spiritual or 655 00:26:18,710 --> 00:26:16,000 supernatural nature unquote 656 00:26:20,870 --> 00:26:18,720 now perhaps you're wondering to what end 657 00:26:23,110 --> 00:26:20,880 what does this all lead to 658 00:26:26,149 --> 00:26:23,120 well according to the collins elite this 659 00:26:28,390 --> 00:26:26,159 all leads up to the end times and even 660 00:26:30,070 --> 00:26:28,400 to the final battle between christ and 661 00:26:31,830 --> 00:26:30,080 the antichrist 662 00:26:34,390 --> 00:26:31,840 now one of the people that nick redfern 663 00:26:37,909 --> 00:26:34,400 consulted for this book was a man named 664 00:26:40,070 --> 00:26:37,919 ray boucher who is an evangelical pastor 665 00:26:42,310 --> 00:26:40,080 but someone also very interested in the 666 00:26:44,870 --> 00:26:42,320 ufo phenomenon he actually has been 667 00:26:47,350 --> 00:26:44,880 involved with mufon in the past and he 668 00:26:49,269 --> 00:26:47,360 was the very person that some of the 669 00:26:51,510 --> 00:26:49,279 collins elite sought out for his 670 00:26:53,590 --> 00:26:51,520 perspective on these matters 671 00:26:56,390 --> 00:26:53,600 and this is what ray boucher had to say 672 00:26:57,350 --> 00:26:56,400 to nick redfern regarding this end times 673 00:26:58,310 --> 00:26:57,360 battle 674 00:27:00,070 --> 00:26:58,320 quote 675 00:27:02,310 --> 00:27:00,080 i think that what will happen is that 676 00:27:04,950 --> 00:27:02,320 there will be a worldwide disclosure and 677 00:27:06,470 --> 00:27:04,960 a revealing of an alien presence here 678 00:27:09,750 --> 00:27:06,480 which will be a lie 679 00:27:11,669 --> 00:27:09,760 their lie the fallen angels lie 680 00:27:13,510 --> 00:27:11,679 believe in alien life forms here on 681 00:27:15,990 --> 00:27:13,520 earth whether they're real or not 682 00:27:17,750 --> 00:27:16,000 demands that we become a united world 683 00:27:19,590 --> 00:27:17,760 and that is exactly what the bible 684 00:27:21,510 --> 00:27:19,600 describes will happen 685 00:27:23,510 --> 00:27:21,520 what i believe is that the disclosure 686 00:27:25,990 --> 00:27:23,520 will be the catalyst that unites the 687 00:27:27,350 --> 00:27:26,000 world under the one world leader the 688 00:27:29,190 --> 00:27:27,360 antichrist 689 00:27:32,389 --> 00:27:29,200 he will be the leader of the one world 690 00:27:33,909 --> 00:27:32,399 government one religion and one economy 691 00:27:36,149 --> 00:27:33,919 what we're getting into here is 692 00:27:39,029 --> 00:27:36,159 eschatology we are talking about the 693 00:27:40,630 --> 00:27:39,039 futuristic view of revelations where you 694 00:27:43,269 --> 00:27:40,640 believe that what is in the book of 695 00:27:45,590 --> 00:27:43,279 revelation describes the future the end 696 00:27:47,669 --> 00:27:45,600 of the age and a final confrontation 697 00:27:49,590 --> 00:27:47,679 between good and evil 698 00:27:51,909 --> 00:27:49,600 and this is why we have these ufo 699 00:27:54,630 --> 00:27:51,919 deceptions it's leading to the final 700 00:27:57,590 --> 00:27:54,640 battle described in revelation the final 701 00:28:00,149 --> 00:27:57,600 judgment on our souls and these entities 702 00:28:04,630 --> 00:28:00,159 working at the end to seduce as many of 703 00:28:06,549 --> 00:28:04,640 us our souls as they can unquote 704 00:28:08,710 --> 00:28:06,559 now in reference to the summary 705 00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:08,720 conclusions of the cullens elite and 706 00:28:13,750 --> 00:28:11,200 their sources that they look to 707 00:28:14,710 --> 00:28:13,760 this is what redfern's book has to say 708 00:28:16,950 --> 00:28:14,720 quote 709 00:28:19,269 --> 00:28:16,960 taken as a whole the text mentioned by 710 00:28:22,549 --> 00:28:19,279 boucher's informants suggests that 711 00:28:25,350 --> 00:28:22,559 deceptive demons whose unholy existence 712 00:28:28,630 --> 00:28:25,360 and actions can be traced back at least 713 00:28:31,029 --> 00:28:28,640 as far as ancient babylonia and rome are 714 00:28:33,510 --> 00:28:31,039 manipulating the human race for dark and 715 00:28:34,870 --> 00:28:33,520 sinister purposes having to do with the 716 00:28:36,789 --> 00:28:34,880 human soul 717 00:28:39,350 --> 00:28:36,799 and they have done so for thousands of 718 00:28:41,590 --> 00:28:39,360 years under various guises the most 719 00:28:44,310 --> 00:28:41,600 recent one being that of benevolent 720 00:28:46,789 --> 00:28:44,320 extraterrestrials from far off star 721 00:28:49,350 --> 00:28:46,799 systems unquote 722 00:28:51,830 --> 00:28:49,360 now earlier i mentioned that some of the 723 00:28:53,750 --> 00:28:51,840 people that talked to redfirm did so 724 00:28:56,950 --> 00:28:53,760 because they no longer agreed with some 725 00:28:58,950 --> 00:28:56,960 of the perspectives of the collins elite 726 00:29:01,350 --> 00:28:58,960 now very specifically and you may find 727 00:29:03,669 --> 00:29:01,360 this shocking what one person told 728 00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:03,679 redfern was that some of those within 729 00:29:08,789 --> 00:29:06,000 the collins elite actually believed this 730 00:29:11,029 --> 00:29:08,799 was so important that it would justify 731 00:29:14,149 --> 00:29:11,039 them using some kind of giant 732 00:29:17,510 --> 00:29:14,159 holographic technology to project for 733 00:29:20,389 --> 00:29:17,520 instance an image of christ into the sky 734 00:29:22,630 --> 00:29:20,399 all around the world so as to induce 735 00:29:23,990 --> 00:29:22,640 religious belief specifically in 736 00:29:25,590 --> 00:29:24,000 christianity 737 00:29:27,990 --> 00:29:25,600 and some within the collins elite 738 00:29:30,710 --> 00:29:28,000 believe this is what they should do to 739 00:29:31,909 --> 00:29:30,720 counter the actions of these deceptive 740 00:29:34,310 --> 00:29:31,919 demons 741 00:29:36,230 --> 00:29:34,320 now to be sure some of the collins elite 742 00:29:38,389 --> 00:29:36,240 were not on board with this plan 743 00:29:41,190 --> 00:29:38,399 including this person who came out and 744 00:29:42,950 --> 00:29:41,200 talked to redfern they believed in human 745 00:29:45,190 --> 00:29:42,960 free will they did not believe they 746 00:29:47,590 --> 00:29:45,200 would be any better than the demons if 747 00:29:51,590 --> 00:29:47,600 they were to deceive human beings even 748 00:29:53,110 --> 00:29:51,600 if it was to supposedly save their souls 749 00:29:55,669 --> 00:29:53,120 now perhaps you're wondering about the 750 00:29:57,830 --> 00:29:55,679 current state of the collins elite for 751 00:29:59,669 --> 00:29:57,840 instance are they still active perhaps 752 00:30:02,310 --> 00:29:59,679 you're wondering that 753 00:30:04,870 --> 00:30:02,320 well according to redfern because they 754 00:30:06,950 --> 00:30:04,880 the collins elite feel like they've made 755 00:30:09,029 --> 00:30:06,960 the case that this is a demonic 756 00:30:10,950 --> 00:30:09,039 deception leading up to an end times 757 00:30:13,110 --> 00:30:10,960 battle involving the rise of the 758 00:30:15,350 --> 00:30:13,120 antichrist etc 759 00:30:17,269 --> 00:30:15,360 they believe these demons are trying to 760 00:30:19,110 --> 00:30:17,279 undermine belief in religion 761 00:30:21,669 --> 00:30:19,120 specifically christianity and 762 00:30:24,310 --> 00:30:21,679 specifically conservative evangelical 763 00:30:26,789 --> 00:30:24,320 fundamentalist christianity again they 764 00:30:29,029 --> 00:30:26,799 believe they have made this case case 765 00:30:30,710 --> 00:30:29,039 closed from their perspective and in 766 00:30:33,029 --> 00:30:30,720 that sense there's nothing more to 767 00:30:35,269 --> 00:30:33,039 investigate from their point of view 768 00:30:37,350 --> 00:30:35,279 at this point all they are hoping is 769 00:30:40,149 --> 00:30:37,360 that they can convince others that their 770 00:30:41,830 --> 00:30:40,159 perspective is the correct one 771 00:30:43,669 --> 00:30:41,840 and now i'd like to leave you with a few 772 00:30:46,470 --> 00:30:43,679 concluding thoughts 773 00:30:48,470 --> 00:30:46,480 first off in reflection it seems that 774 00:30:51,590 --> 00:30:48,480 what the collins elites seem to suffer 775 00:30:52,710 --> 00:30:51,600 from is a severe case of circular 776 00:30:54,710 --> 00:30:52,720 reasoning 777 00:30:57,029 --> 00:30:54,720 it seems apparent that the combination 778 00:30:59,110 --> 00:30:57,039 of a lack of understanding regarding the 779 00:31:01,269 --> 00:30:59,120 complex nuanced nature of 780 00:31:03,190 --> 00:31:01,279 multi-dimensional reality 781 00:31:05,110 --> 00:31:03,200 combined with a reliance on a kind of 782 00:31:07,590 --> 00:31:05,120 thinking that assumed that anything that 783 00:31:10,630 --> 00:31:07,600 wasn't green must be read 784 00:31:13,110 --> 00:31:10,640 led them to some very biased conclusions 785 00:31:15,509 --> 00:31:13,120 to be clear one can acknowledge the 786 00:31:18,070 --> 00:31:15,519 events they witnessed were historical 787 00:31:20,230 --> 00:31:18,080 i.e they actually happened and i 788 00:31:22,389 --> 00:31:20,240 personally believe that's true 789 00:31:24,470 --> 00:31:22,399 while still questioning the conclusions 790 00:31:26,389 --> 00:31:24,480 they ultimately drew 791 00:31:28,710 --> 00:31:26,399 one thing seems clear to me after 792 00:31:31,509 --> 00:31:28,720 investigating these historical events in 793 00:31:33,509 --> 00:31:31,519 preparation for this podcast 794 00:31:35,590 --> 00:31:33,519 not only does the desire to lump the 795 00:31:37,509 --> 00:31:35,600 various phenomena observed within the 796 00:31:40,870 --> 00:31:37,519 meta category known as the ufo 797 00:31:42,950 --> 00:31:40,880 phenomenon into one predetermined basket 798 00:31:45,509 --> 00:31:42,960 lead to the exclusion of some very 799 00:31:48,230 --> 00:31:45,519 significant data but it can and 800 00:31:51,029 --> 00:31:48,240 apparently has led some semi-official 801 00:31:54,070 --> 00:31:51,039 and official sources to cut off the 802 00:31:56,630 --> 00:31:54,080 investigation into the ufo phenomenon 803 00:31:59,029 --> 00:31:56,640 just when it was uncovering elements 804 00:32:01,509 --> 00:31:59,039 that could have and should have served 805 00:32:03,909 --> 00:32:01,519 to open up new questions and new lines 806 00:32:06,070 --> 00:32:03,919 of evidence to pursue 807 00:32:09,110 --> 00:32:06,080 at the end of the day if you begin with 808 00:32:11,509 --> 00:32:09,120 a predetermined view of what is possible 809 00:32:14,470 --> 00:32:11,519 you will simply be forced to ignore or 810 00:32:16,310 --> 00:32:14,480 explain away anything and everything 811 00:32:19,350 --> 00:32:16,320 that you come across that seems to 812 00:32:21,430 --> 00:32:19,360 suggest anything to the contrary 813 00:32:24,070 --> 00:32:21,440 and of course that doesn't get us closer 814 00:32:27,190 --> 00:32:24,080 to reality in fact it accomplishes the 815 00:32:29,509 --> 00:32:27,200 very opposite it is ultimately an 816 00:32:30,789 --> 00:32:29,519 allegiance with subjective bias and 817 00:32:33,430 --> 00:32:30,799 fantasy 818 00:32:35,990 --> 00:32:33,440 over reality 819 00:32:37,669 --> 00:32:36,000 and on that note we've come to the close 820 00:32:39,509 --> 00:32:37,679 of another edition of the point of 821 00:32:41,430 --> 00:32:39,519 convergence podcast 822 00:32:44,789 --> 00:32:41,440 if you'd like to support this podcast 823 00:32:47,590 --> 00:32:44,799 you can do so at patreon.com 824 00:32:49,269 --> 00:32:47,600 exo academian i very much appreciate any 825 00:32:51,269 --> 00:32:49,279 support offered 826 00:32:53,029 --> 00:32:51,279 but until next time friends from deep 827 00:32:56,389 --> 00:32:53,039 within the blue ridge mountains of north 828 00:32:57,850 --> 00:32:56,399 carolina this is exo academian signing